First Lady Michelle Obama pulled no punches in her latest interview, joking that President Barack Obama was a “bum” in high school.

Speaking with the ladies of popular daytime talk show The Real, FLOTUS was honest when asked who had better grades in high school.

“He will [even] say, it’s not even close,” she said.

“Barack fooled around in high school. He’s said it. He didn’t take school seriously in high school. He barely got his work done. He was a bum. It took him a second because he had to grow up a little bit. It wasn’t until his second year he transferred from Occidental [in California] to Columbia [University] when he was like, ‘I got to make something of my life. I got to get it together.’”

Mrs. Obama met with the hosts to discuss her “Better Make Room” initiative. The movement inspiring high school students to explore their education options past graduation kicked off in October 2015. MBR is a follow-up of her “Reach Higher” initiative, which encourages teens to complete their high school education. Pairing with over 20 social media, business, and nonprofit partners, MBR takes a more tactical and relatable approach towards Generation Z (14-19) and their feelings about higher education.