Yesterday, the Broken Record podcast will be dropping an episode featuring Rick Rubin’s interview with rapper, record producer, actor, filmmaker, and author, the Wu Tang Clan’s RZA. The Wu Tang Abbott delves into his early production memories, how his substance indulgence influences his creative output and the radio station that made a name based off of the WTC’s success.

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RZA also turns the tables on Rick who shares more about creating Rock the Bells, which artists got him back into making Hip Hop after years of producing rock hits and more.